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Re: Can you please give examples where violence and collective action have worked ?
Posted by emersberger on October 17, 2011, 12:42 am, in reply to "Re: Can you please give examples where violence and collective action have worked ?"

Will try to look at the essay, but I have read CLR James Black Jacobins a few times and it is a brilliant account of the revolution Toussaint Louverture led.

Toussaint initially allied himself with the British and Spaniards against Revolutionary France. The French revolutionaires were not abolitionists (of course neither were the English and much less the Spanish). Haiti was the time was an incredibly valuable colony and both the Brits and the Spaniards were inetrested in stealing it from France.

However, during the so called "reign of Terror" when the the French Revolution took its most radical turn, the French parliament abolished slavery without any debate. Toussaint very abruptly dumped the Brits and Spaniards and joined (for years) with the French. Toussaint's army then drove the Brits out of Haiti

With the rise of Napolean, France decided to restore slavery in Haiti and sent a massive expedition under Napolean's brother-in-law (Leclarc) to do it. Toussaint's downfall came becaue he basically tried to fight the French with one hand tied behind his back. Toussaint wanted slavery to remain abolished and Haiti to have a great dea of independednce BUT remain closely linked to France. That weakness allowed the French to kidnapp him and send him off to die. Mreo important, it needlessly gave the French a better chance of reimposing slavery then they should ever have had.

The Haitian ex slaves actually revolted against Toussaint's generals (after Toussaint was taken out of the picture). For a brief time Toussaint's black generals fought with the French to put down the uprising of the former slaves. However, Jean Jaques Dessalines (one of Toussaint's geneals who never liked Toussaint's pussy footing around with the French) brought the generals back on the side of the ex-slaves and drove the French out of Haiti.

The huge toll in blood that various europeans were willing to pay to keep Haitians as slaves shows how valuable the colony was.

Yes Toussaint made some briallaint tactical decisions to ally with imperial powers at times. He also allied with the most radical, anti-imperialist current that existed at the time - revolutionary France under the "reign of terror". In the end though, the last tactical alliances he attempted to make with France (under the overtly racist and imperialist Napolean) destroyed him and inflicted tremendous harm on the Haitian revolution.

It is worth noting though, that Napolean eventually wrote that he regretted not having accepted Toussaint's offer to leave Haiti alone as a very autonomous colony of France.

--Previous Message--
: Immortal Technique wrote a really good piece
: on the Haitian Revolution after the
: earthquake last year, which you may have
: read. It touches on the violence/
: non-violence debate a little as well:
: It's interesting how Francois-Dominique
: Toussaint pragmatically aligned himself with
: the British and Spanish colonialists as
: well, though IT doesn't say how and to what
: extent. Also if I'm not mistaken, Germany
: supplied Lenin with weapons during the
: Russian Civil War, so perhaps the debate as
: to whether to accept help from imperialists
: re. Libya doesn't seem so clear cut? Or does
: it?
: x
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the green book - president ghadaffi of libya

maybe other sources for it on the net

all the best, sir jay

ps. - dan thanks for the poetry thing, hope you well. harvest from the news sources i did in the forum a while ago if you want, then ill close it.
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"Re: What do you think of this attempt to make sense of the financial crisis?

Posted by emersberger on October 26, 2011, 2:23 am, in reply to "What do you think of this attempt to make sense of the financial crisis?"

I strongly recommend you look over Dean Baker's free online book "the Conservative Nanny State".
Also try checking out his blog

and his Guardian articles.

Crises are caused because the 1% - as many now call them - always struggle to be rewarded as extravagantly as possible for what they own as opposed to what they do. That is more the root of the problem than the use of money. The actual level of productivity in the economy does not, for very long, satisfy their desire for ever increasing rewards for what they own. Their fear of, and desire to beat down workers, also undermines the base of the "real economy".

Hence, rather than actually investing in real goods and services, the 1% inevitably take to gambling (i.e speculating) on an increasingly large scale. Speculative bubbles inflate when the 1% bet that a certain trend will continue indefinitely - like the tech stock bubble of the late 1990s, the housing bubble that also took off in the 1990s.

After the Great depression. speculators were put under control, but by the early 1970s began to make a major comeback. Today they are at least as dominant as they were before the Great Depression.

--Previous Message--
: I continually try to make sense of the
: financial crisis.
: But I don’t have the time or energy (perhaps
: not the ability, either) to educate myself
: properly, so, from the mishmash of stuff
: I’ve heard and read over the years, I have
: formed the following impressionistic
: ‘understanding’ of the problem(s).
: I’d be grateful for any feedback (e.g.
: corrections of misconceptions) that anyone
: cares to give.
: *************************************
: Money has no value. It is a human invention,
: a concept, a way of abstracting the value of
: real stuff. Real stuff that has real value
: to humans includes, for example, a loaf of
: bread, a tank of clean drinking water, a
: book, an electronic gadget.
: Money was invented as a medium of exchange
: because a person who wants to exchange his
: bread-loaf for a book will often find it
: difficult to find the person who wants to
: exchange his book for a bread-loaf.
: So money was a good system, and this was all
: hunky-dory whilst there was a close
: correlation between real stuff and the
: abstract stuff that represented it (i.e.
: money).
: But then human productivity grew, sometimes
: very rapidly, through history. (Slavery and
: wage-slavery contributed massively to this,
: but that’s another story.) So then there was
: a massive amount of real stuff that had to
: be represented by abstract stuff (money).
: And money grew to acquire a life of its own,
: whereby it was increasingly seen as real
: stuff itself, not simply abstract any more.
: And with so much real stuff and money
: sloshing around, it became increasingly
: possible for people play games with the
: money, e.g. creating much more it than could
: actually be correlated with real stuff.
: It is possible to sustain that disconnect
: (between reality and abstraction) for a
: while, but sooner or later, reality catches
: up with the fiction and that is when (I
: think) economists say the ‘bubble bursts’.
: *************************************
: I could write much more on the impressions
: about economics that I have gained over the
: years, but I’ll wait to see what (if
: anything) people say about this before I
: consider doing that.
: "
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"Totally Corrupt America
Posted by Keith-264 on October 25, 2011, 9:36 am

Last March I reviewed Matt Taibbi’s important book Griftopia, an entertaining account of the through-going financial fraud that gave us the financial crisis. Taibbi shows that the US “superpower” can match any third world backwater in the magnitude of greed and fraud that is endemic in business and government. Taibbi’s Griftopia was published last year. This year Henry Holt publishers have provided us with Gretchen Morgenson and Joshua Rosner’s Reckless Endangerment.

Morgenson and Rosner tell the story again, but with less drama and provocation. Possibly, it might be more acceptable to those gullible Americans who wrap themselves in the flag and refuse to believe that their country could ever knowingly do anything that is wrong.

I am not suggesting that Morgenson and Rosner pull their punches. To the contrary, the authors deliver enough knockouts to be contenders with Taibbi as world champions in exposing the reckless fraud that the US financial sector and its regulators now epitomize.

The financial crisis, which is very much still with us, did not result from accident or miscalculation; neither did it result because of a flaw in Alan Greenspan’s theory, as he told Congress when a feeble effort was made to hold him accountable. It was the intentional result of people motivated by short-term profits who wanted to get theirs and get out. Ctd...."
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"Re: Oh Dear! (nm)
Posted by gabriele on October 30, 2011, 6:22 pm, in reply to "Oh Dear! (nm)"

Nothing new. Many have written in these months about this, among them Escobar and P. Cockburn.

I haven't read it but an interesting book on this issue I think is Mark Curtis' Secret Affairs, Britain's collusion with radical Islam.

If we have to believe this reports, a flag just adds some atmosphere.

Maybe the mad dog was right after all...

g. "
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"The Opium War: Drugs, Dreams and the Making of China by Julia Lovell
Posted by Keith-264 on November 6, 2011, 4:41 pm

Where is this England?
Bernard Porter
In China the Opium War is taken to mark the beginning of the country’s modern history, seen as one of continuous national humiliation under the heel of Western imperialism, bravely but hopelessly resisted by the peasantry, until Chairman Mao came along. It takes pride of place in school history courses; monuments, museums, books, films and TV documentaries are devoted to it; and there is even a computer game in which you can play at bashing the British at Canton. Wasn’t David Cameron aware of all this when he arrived in Beijing in November 2010 wearing a Remembrance Day poppy in his buttonhole? Or the right-wing press, when it heaped praise on him for allegedly refusing to remove it when the Chinese asked him? That will have stirred up historical memories, too. Much of the diplomatic row over the opium issue in 1839-42 (the period of the First Opium War, which Julia Lovell’s book focuses on) revolved around who should ‘kowtow’ to whom. Ctd...."
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Book recommendation - Treasure Islands by Nicholas Shaxton

When you're done with that, have a read of of this -

Quote - Energy is recognized as the key to all activity on earth. Natural science is the study of the sources and control of natural energy, and social science, theoretically expressed as economics, is the study of the sources and control of social energy. Both are bookkeeping systems: mathematics. Therefore, mathematics is the primary energy science. And the bookkeeper can be king if the public can be kept ignorant of the methodology of the bookkeeping.

All science is merely a means to an end. The means is knowledge. The end is control. Beyond this remains only one issue: Who will be the beneficiary?

In 1954 this was the issue of primary concern. Although the so-called "moral issues" were raised, in view of the law of natural selection it was agreed that a nation or world of people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence. Such people are beasts of burden and steaks on the table by choice and consent.

Consequently, in the interest of future world order, peace, and tranquillity, it was decided to privately wage a quiet war against the American public with an ultimate objective of permanently shifting the natural and social energy (wealth) of the undisciplined and irresponsible many into the hands of the self-disciplined, responsible, and worthy few.

In order to implement this objective, it was necessary to create, secure, and apply new weapons which, as it turned out, were a class of weapons so subtle and sophisticated in their principle of operation and public appearance as to earn for themselves the name "silent weapons."

In conclusion, the objective of economic research, as conducted by the magnates of capital (banking) and the industries of commodities (goods) and services, is the establishment of an economy which is totally predictable and manipulatable.

In order to achieve a totally predictable economy, the low-class elements of society must be brought under total control, i.e., must be housebroken, trained, and assigned a yoke and long-term social duties from a very early age, before they have an opportunity to question the propriety of the matter. In order to achieve such conformity, the lower-class family unit must be disintegrated by a process of increasing preoccupation of the parents and the establishment of government-operated day-care centers for the occupationally orphaned children.

The quality of education given to the lower class must be of the poorest sort, so that the moat of ignorance isolating the inferior class from the superior class is and remains incomprehensible to the inferior class. With such an initial handicap, even bright lower class individuals have little if any hope of extricating themselves from their assigned lot in life. This form of slavery is essential to maintain some measure of social order, peace, and tranquillity for the ruling upper class.'
We don't want the looneys taking over...
We don't want the looneys taking over...
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"Green Left: Summer (sic) reading: Recommended books of the year
Posted by The Editors on December 5, 2011, 6:08 am

Green Left is based in Australia, you see....



Summer reading: Recommended books of the year
Saturday, December 3, 2011
By Mat Ward

Because Green Left Weekly is taking a break for the summer, it asked staff, contributors — or just people it likes — to name the best books published this year. Here are their suggestions:

Summer reading: Recommended books of the year

Saturday, December 3, 2011
By Mat Ward

Because Green Left Weekly is taking a break for the summer, it asked staff, contributors — or just people it likes — to name the best books published this year. Here are their suggestions.

Tim Dobson, Green Left journalist and blogger at Press Box Red
A Life Too Short: The Tragedy of Robert Enke by Ronald Reng
Yellow Jersey Press, 2011

Gary Speed hanged himself on November 27. He was the manager of the Welsh Football team and a long-term professional player in the English Premier League. The week before, German referee Babak Rafati slit his wrists in an attempted suicide. Welcome to the world of professional sport.

Robert Enke was set to become the long-term number one goalkeeper for the German national side when he threw himself in front of a train. This book, written by a friend, painstakingly details the extraordinary and unique pressure faced by professional sportspeople in their day-to-day lives, how it can ruin and destroy people and how no sport has been active enough in facing the problem, especially professional football.

Sportspeople are often depicted as cartoon characters or robots. This book shows they should perhaps be seen as tortured artists, forever straining for a perfection that they will never quite achieve.

Ian Angus, editor,
What Every Environmentalist Needs To Know about Capitalism by Fred Magdoff and John Bellamy Foster
Monthly Review Press, 2011

Environmental destruction isn’t caused by ignorance or mistaken policies: it is the inevitable result of a social and economic system that puts profit before people and must constantly expand to survive.

In this short and clearly written book, Magdoff and Foster explain why that is, why there can be no permanent solution to the environmental crisis so long as capitalism continues, and why greens and socialists must join forces to make an ecological revolution. Every socialist should buy two copies: one to read and learn from, and another to give to a friend who wants to go beyond environmental concern to effective action.

Ben Courtice, Green Left reporter and blogger at Blind Carbon Copy
The Lionel Bopage Story: Rebellion, Repression and the Struggle for Justice in Sri Lanka by Michael Cooke
Agahas Publishers, Colombo, 2011

This political biography is most timely because it comes at the end of Sri Lanka's long civil war that ended with the destruction of the Tamil Tigers and the victory of the Sinhala state.

Lionel Bopage's biography examines critically the ways in which nationalist chauvinism and political impatience and opportunism repeatedly prevented the Sri Lankan left (especially his party, the JVP) from developing into a force that could lead the nation away from communalist and racist strife, let alone deal with widespread poverty and violence.
For those considering the way forward for Sri Lanka, it's a must read.

Derek Wall, author and activist
Broken Republic by Arundhati Roy
Hamish Hamilton, 2011

Arundhati Roy's Broken Republic isn't just about India and it certainly isn't an apology for the Maoists, it's about the whole world.

Roy's poetic anger shines through. The Maoists are fighting a forgotten war on the side of the indigenous whose land is being stolen by mining corporations. Roy is often critical of the Maoists, but her account of meeting them is fascinating. She castigates India as a corrupt nation wrecking the environment and destroying lives, but praises the diversity and strength of the varied movements fighting back.

Her book shows how it is, globally. Governments work for the rich, assault the environment and crush their citizens. A society that respects nature and humanity is possible, but this will involve a huge fight. Roy's book is a powerful call for resistance. This is an astonishing and subversive title and it takes courage to tell it how it is. Roy has more courage than it is easy to imagine.

David Cromwell, co-editor at media-analysing website
More Bad News From Israel by Greg Philo and Mike Berry
Pluto Press, 2011

It makes for deeply uncomfortable reading for journalists and editors reporting from the Middle East, but this book is a godsend to readers trying to understand the history and propaganda surrounding Israel-Palestine.

In the largest study of its kind, the authors illustrate major biases in the way Palestinians and Israelis are represented in the media — such as how the motives and rationale of the different parties involved are depicted. The book also reveals the extraordinary differences in levels of public knowledge of the conflict. Unsurprisingly, the glaring gaps in media coverage and public understanding reflect pro-Israeli propaganda.

No wonder Tim Llewellyn, a former BBC Middle East correspondent, told Media Lens that he fully agrees with Philo and Berry's careful analysis. BBC coverage of Israel and Palestine is, he said, "replete with imbalance and distortion".

Mat Ward, Green Left writer/subeditor
Too Many People? by Ian Angus and Simon Butler
Haymarket Books, 2011

For me, a great book is one that substantially changes the way people see the world. Nicholas Shaxson's Treasure Islands, which came out this year, definitely does that. It exposes the extent to which tax havens have corrupted the entire global financial system, resulting in governments slicing away at corporate tax to try to compete.

But Ian Angus and Simon Butler's Too Many People? is a game-changer on steroids. The book's release, coming as population hysteria reached a peak with the world's head count hitting 7 billion, could not be more timely. Whereas Shaxson's book sees capitalism as essentially benign, Too Many People? shows, clearly and concisely, that capitalism — not population — is the very root of the world's problems. It will challenge the views of many on the left; it certainly changed mine.

Jay Fletcher, Green Left journalist
Stieg & Me: Memories of a life with Stieg Larsson by Eva Gabrielsson
Allen & Unwin, 2011

This memoir by Eva Gabrielsson, partner of 30 years to The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo author Stieg Larsson, is the most heartbreaking and poignant portrayal I’ve read of Larsson’s political life and tragic death.

The Swedish Men who Hate Women — or the English-translated Millennium trilogy — has produced a multimillion-dollar empire of the books, films and biographies in more than 41 countries.

But Gabrielsson was cut off from artistic control and the huge financial success of the series. Their work-focused lives meant they never married, so Larsson’s estranged brother and father inherited the entire Millennium legacy under Swedish law. Gabrielsson says she was called “mentally ill” and “unstable” by the men who wanted control of Larsson’s entire estate and legacy.

Gabrielsson says as a result most people only know the “Millennium Stieg”, and this memoir gives shape and depth to the uncompromising and passionate journalist he really was. It also fully exposes for the first time since his death the injustice of the woman he loved most being cut out of his legacy.

Alexander Billet, music journalist,
Woody Guthrie, American Radical by Will Kaufman
University of Illinois Press, 2011
I Mix What I Like: A Mixtape Manifesto by Jared Ball
AK Press, 2011

It's a tie! This year saw not one but two books that each recapture long-buried aspects of real rebel music. With revolutions popping off in the Arab world, with the Occupy movement gripping American streets and the words "general strike" no longer an abstraction, they couldn't arrive at a more crucial point.

Woody Guthrie, American Radical reclaims America's best-known folk-singer for what he was - not some naive country bumpkin, but a real, dyed-in-the-wool socialist who sought to integrate his genuine belief in a workers' world into his songs. Lots of liberal, social-patriotic myths have been spun around Guthrie; professor Will Kaufman's book sets the record straight.

In the age of the internet, the hip-hop mixtape has been reclaimed as it once was: an opportunity to speak rhymes of truth to power outside the avenues of the music biz. To spin culture back in a direction of justice and racial equity. Jared Ball's thorough, passionate book reminds us what it is that made mixtapes so vital to cultural rebellion in the first place.

Patrick Harrison, Green Left journalist
Palestine by Sarah Irving
Bradt Travel Guides, 2011

This is the ideal resource for Palestinian solidarity activists and travellers in the Holy Land. The best book of its kind, it delivers a frank and honest picture of Palestine when the vast majority of tourist literature is an accomplice to the erasure of Palestinian history and culture.

As the author states in the introduction, "to visit Palestine is, in some measure, a political act" even for conventional tourists.

The guide's background information section pulls no punches regarding the creation of Israel and the occupation of '67. It's also one of the only guides available that also covers Palestinian communities inside Israel. This is the only book worth reading for travellers to Palestine, whether interested in solidarity activism or not.

Alex Miller, university lecturer in Britain and Green Left book reviewer
This Road is Red by Alison Irvine
Luath Press, 2011

My book of the year for 2011 is a novel about the tenants of the Red Road flats in Glasgow, a high-rise development that was built in the 1960s and which is now scheduled for demolition. The novel – based on extensive interviews with past and present inhabitants – rings very true and is by turns funny, sad, touching and tragic.

It’s the sort of book it would be easy to do badly, and it’s to the author’s great credit that this, her first novel, is a great success.

The next book by Alison Irvine, the daughter of two antipodeans, will be about emigration from Glasgow to Australia and New Zealand.

Niko Leka, Green Left reporter
The Cage by Gordon Weiss
Picador, 2011

The Cage tells of the war crimes committed in the last months of the civil war in Sri Lanka. It ends with the demand for an international independent investigation into these crimes.

The book represents painstaking scholarship and journalism at its best. It presents the origins and events without fear or favour, as they emerged. In its analysis, it’s the modern-day equivalent of Thucydides’ History of the Peloponnesian War.

Read it, and urge its author, Gordon Weiss, to write a second edition covering the horror of “post-war” reality in Sri Lanka. An indication of the continuing climate of fear is that there is one member of the armed forces for about every 10 civilians in the Jaffna Peninsula.

Phil Shannon, retired public servant and CPSU activist, Green Left book reviewer
Here Comes Trouble: Stories From My Life by Michael Moore
Allen Lane, 2011

This is an engaging account by documentary-maker Michael Moore of his life as a source of trouble for religious, military and political authority and their accomplices of bigotry and prejudice.

Despite a youthful shyness, Moore’s refusal to accept an unjust status quo saw him speaking out, standing for election and running an alternative newspaper before famously denouncing the Iraq war when accepting an Oscar. A physical target of the mad right, Moore has kept his nerve, producing splendid documentaries which he describes as "angry comedies" about economic and social injustice.

Moore’s book now reveals a fine writer and politically engaged story-teller who can touch the heart, the head and the funny bone in equal measure. An effortless but inspiring read for political activists, both old and in-the-making.

Peter Robson, Green Left reporter
Embassytown by China Mieville
Macmillan, 2011

Socialist writer China Mieville writes novels using fantasy and science fiction tropes, in part, to explore problems in the real in world.

In his latest offering, Mielville tackles colonialism, gender and racism in a unique and interesting way.
Mieville also loves monsters and the alien Arieke are monstrous in a way that is particularly interesting.

Their language is incapable of certain forms of abstraction. After humans visit their planet of Arieka, they adopt the method of simile by making Avice Benner Cho a living part of their language. What follows is the near-destruction of an alien culture under the colonisation of humanity and the struggle to maintain an independent human culture in the face of colonial pressure from Earth.

It’s a good one.

Zane Alcorn, Green Left reporter, rapper, activist
Go the f**k to Sleep by Adam Mansbach
Penguin, 2011

Without a doubt the best book I read in 2011 was Go the f**k to Sleep by Adam Mansbach. I didn’t so much read it, as have it read out to me -- by Noni Hazelhurst no less -- which rerouted and reactivated all sorts of long dormant synaptical connections in my head and compounded the great comedy of the moment. Subsequently I had it read to me again, this time by Samuel L. Jackson, and it was like "Die Hard with a four year old" with Jackson trying desperately to defuse the child’s unrepentant ransom seeking.

This book is all kinds of f*****g hilarious. The artwork by Ricardo Cortes is spot on, evoking the children's-bedtime-book-illustration archetype to a tee. I’m not a parent myself, maybe I will be one day, but suffice to say I’ve heard stories about how the small ones can er… push the boundaries of what they can get away with, right to the edge. In doing so they can push the parents in question to the brink of insanity. It can’t help that raising the next generation of workers is still typically an unpaid duty (of the gendered kind) either.

Bravo to Adam Mansbach for providing the parents of the world with an outlet for all that grimy, real, unglorious nightly parental angst. Five stars brother.

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Writings on Civil Disobidience And Nonviolence
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In a response to a terrible article about the iraq war in the LA Times,0,4773916.story

David Macilwain posted this book recommendation

"Megan Stack wouldn't have written this ---
Posted by David macilwain on December 18, 2011, 10:50 am, in reply to "Iraq war in the LA Times: it must be read to be believed! "

It would be good to read something with her perceptive and empathetic vision on these countries, now we've finished with wrecking them through the normal channels. Last heard of as Moscow correspondent for the LA Times, anyone not familiar with "Every man in this village is a liar" should seek it out."
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In response to an article by Mark Thomas criticising atheist fundamentalism* Aly posted a book recommendation.


"Re: God and science etc.
Posted by Aly on December 31, 2011, 1:23 pm

Hi all

I'm sorry that I missed out on the interesting thread below. Those of you who were involved might be interested in this book - I found it one of the most interesting on the subject that I've come across. It's written by a professor of mathematics at Oxford, who also has a deep faith in the Christian view of things.

Among other things it really shows up some serious mathematical flaws in a couple of Dawkins' arguments.

Hope you find it interesting.



[God's Undertaker: Has Science Buried God? John Lennox] "
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Originally posted by the eds on the message board, re requested by Rippon, retrieved by Ed. Pasted from message board by me Smile

"Posted by rippon on March 18, 2012, 7:05 pm

Please help: there was a book reference here recently, in which the author was a political conservative who argued that the US had never feared the Soviet Union’s military capability - that the 'Cold War' was never really about two military superpowers facing up to each other.

Could someone please repost the details of that book.

Not this post by the Eds is it rippon?
Posted by Ed on March 18, 2012, 7:19 pm, in reply to "Please help: there was a book reference here recently, in which ... "

Cold War analyst John Lewis Gaddis:

'To a remarkable degree, containment [of the Soviet 'threat'] has been the product, not so much of what the Russians have done, or of what has happened elsewhere in the world, but of internal forces operating within the United States... What is surprising is the primacy that has been accorded economic considerations in shaping strategies of containment, to the exclusion of other considerations.' (Gaddis, Strategies of Containment. Quoted Noam Chomsky, Year 501, Verso, 1993, p.34)

Mark Curtis explains the mystery:

'Crucially, the immediate beneficiaries of the [Cold War] rearmament programme were to be the large corporations within the military-defence sector of the economy. With guaranteed industrial production and a guaranteed market (the Department of Defence) they were able to achieve high levels of output and reap large profits.' (Mark Curtis, The Ambiguities of Power, Zed Books, 1995, p.45)

Howard Zinn:

'When I read the hundreds of pages of the Pentagon Papers entrusted to me by [military analyst] Daniel Ellsberg, what jumped out at me were the secret memos from the National Security Council. Explaining the U.S. interest in Southeast Asia, they spoke bluntly of the country's motives as a quest for "tin, rubber, oil."' ("
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"Noam Chomsky: 'Academic Freedom and the Corporatization of Universities'

Posted by The Editors on May 23, 2012, 12:58 pm

Well worth a read. A couple of choice quotes:

'The funding issue raises many troubling questions, which would not arise if fostering independent thought and inquiry were regarded as a public good, having intrinsic value. That's the traditional ideal of the universities, although there are major efforts to change that. Take Britain. According to the British press, the Arts and Humanities Research Council was just ordered to spend a significant amount of funding on the prime minister's vision for the country. His so-called "Big Society," which means big corporate profits, and the rest look out for themselves.'

'Corporatization can have considerable influence in other ways. Corporate managers have a duty. They have to focus on profit making and seeking to convert as much of life as possible into commodities. It's not because they're bad people; it's their task. Under Anglo-American law, it's their legal obligation as well. There's a lot to say about this topic, but one element of it concerns the universities and much else. One particular consequence is the focus on what's called efficiency. It's an interesting concept. It's not strictly an economic concept. It has crucial ideological dimensions. If a business reduces personnel, it might become more efficient by standard measures with lower costs. Typically, that shifts the burden to the public, a very familiar phenomenon we see all the time. Costs to the public are not counted, and they're colossal.'

It's also worth checking out Stefan Collini's recent book, 'What Are Universities For?' Although it does lack the necessary radical insight that Chomsky has.

Re: Noam Chomsky: 'Academic Freedom and the Corporatization of Universities'

Posted by Wirralien on May 23, 2012, 1:52 pm, in reply to "Re: Noam Chomsky: 'Academic Freedom and the Corporatization of Universities' "

.....a good look at higher ed reform in England (not sure of applicability to UK as a whole) is here:

Re: Noam Chomsky: 'Academic Freedom and the Corporatization of Universities'

Posted by Keith-264 on May 23, 2012, 3:17 pm, in reply to "Re: Noam Chomsky: 'Academic Freedom and the Corporatization of Universities' "

From Robbins to McKinsey
Stefan Collini

Higher Education: Students at the Heart of the System
Department of Business, Innovation and Skills, £79.00, June 2011, ISBN 978 0 10 181222 1

One of the most fascinating yet elusive aspects of cultural change is the way certain ideals and arguments acquire an almost self-evident power at particular times, just as others come to seem irrelevant or antiquated and largely disappear from public debate. In the middle of the 18th century, to describe a measure as ‘displaying the respect that is due to rank’ was a commonplace commendation; in the middle of the 19th, affirming that a proposal contributed to ‘the building of character’ would have been part of the mood music of public discourse; in the middle of the 20th, ‘a decent standard of life’ was the goal of all parties and almost all policies. As with changes in the use of language generally, readers and listeners become inured to what were once jarring neologisms or solecisms, while phrases that were once so common as to escape notice become in time unusable. Ctd....
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