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MarkW



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Most of you will probably have come to your own conclusions regarding the Hutton inquiry http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk and many of you may have even downloaded some of the internal emails and memos.

As much as I like to see Blair squirm at question time, I still can't get over the fact that the Tories could now have Blair out of office if they backed international law and refused to support the illegal invasion of Iraq.

I hope Hutton will say that:
    Campbell did "sex-up" the dossier by changing the language
    Hoon was so out of touch that he should resign
    Blair lied about naming Dr. Kelly

I am going to be disappointed.
Maybe he'll ask for an inquiry about the reasons for invading (to support Bush) in the first place?
Wed Jan 14, 2004 3:14 pm
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David Traynier



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"I still can't get over the fact that the Tories could now have Blair out of office if they backed international law and refused to support the illegal invasion of Iraq."

I don't think this is much of a mysterly, MarkW. the Tories and NuLab are essentially two mildly divergent factions of the ruling political class. The longer term strategic concerns of Great Britian PLC override party-political advantage. They might now try to score some advantage -but only because it is relatively safe to do so. The occupation of Iraq and its incorporation into the economic system is now largely a 'fact on the ground'.

For the Tories to have launched a full-scale critique of the war, they would have had to take on the establishment and, in effect, the bedrock of their own existence. That simply wouldn't happen. Any leader who tried it would be replaced and any party that attempted it would be washed into the gutters, cut off from business support and left out in the cold.

Even the Libdems, who can be relatively independent because they will not achieve true power as things stand (the moment the LibDems become genuinely viable, we will know, because business will cozy up to them and they will moderate their tone even further) did not really question the consensus. Rather, they picked at the seams and made narrow, tactical criticisms, based largely on timing. Certainly, Kennedy has never fundamentally challenged the honesty and integrity of the Government as a whole (so far as I know). Again -it would call into question the system as a whole -of which the main parties are only surface phenomena.

Thanks,
David.
Wed Jan 14, 2004 5:03 pm
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Matthew



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Hi all. Posted this in the chat area, but thought I'd add it here too. Does anyone have a link to the bit of Sir KT's evidence where he basically admitted that Blair HAD not only been present at, but that he had chaired the meeting at which it was decided that if Kelly's name came up in conversations with journalists they would confirm that he was the source?

Thanks in advance.
Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:47 pm
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I dont think Campbell will be in trouble for sexing up the documents as from I gleaned the waters are muddy enough for him to get away with that allegation. Also the remarks Bliar made to the media on the plane regarding his shaggy impression 'it wasnt me' were not submitted to the enquiry so Hutton cannot directly call him a liar even though he obviously is. I think Bliar will squirm severely but BuffHoon will be the fall guy as he is skating on thin ice already.
Fri Jan 16, 2004 9:10 pm
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MarkW



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Kevin Tebbit's evidence to Hutton.
http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/transcripts/hearing-trans47.htm

kebabish wrote:

I dont think Campbell will be in trouble for sexing up the documents as from I gleaned the waters are muddy enough for him to get away with that allegation.

As I said, I believe people have already made up their minds.
It is undisputed (from reading the emails diusclosed to Hutton) that Campbell requested numerous changes to the wording of the document and that his group were all involved in crafting the document so as to paint a serious threat where the intelligence services could prove none.
Dr. Glen Rangwala even had someomne extract the names of the authors of the MS Word document - all of whom were Campbell's people.
http://middleeastreference.org.uk/fac030616.html

Glen Rangwala's writings: http://middleeastreference.org.uk/writings.html
Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:13 pm
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Hi Mark,

I didnt hear anything about the details of those e-mails and was too busy to try and investigate. Was there anything in them that wasnt just Campbell requesting cosmetic changes but actually trying to influence or sex-up the evidence?
Mon Jan 19, 2004 8:11 pm
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MarkW



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kebabish wrote:
Hi Mark,

I didnt hear anything about the details of those e-mails and was too busy to try and investigate. Was there anything in them that wasnt just Campbell requesting cosmetic changes but actually trying to influence or sex-up the evidence?


Many of Campbell's emails were provided to Hutton by his assistant Alison Blackshaw.
Name checking: http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/cab/cab_1_0073.pdf
Scarlett trying to stop Kelly dismissing the importance of the trailers (i.e. that they were harmless) to the PAC http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/cab/cab_1_0094.pdf
Why now?http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/cab/cab_11_0027.pdf

You should read these emails. It is clear (to me) that they were going to invade and needed 'facts' to support one.
http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/evidence-lists/evidence-cab.htm
Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:07 pm
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MarkW



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This page http://www.wardrobe.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/words/murder/spin_genocide/ has the emails clearly listed.
Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:11 pm
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