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joe emersberger



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Post Post subject: Email to George Monbiot on Guardian's idea of fair debate Reply with quote

Hi George:
How do you feel about the following two comments being removed by the Guardian from the comments posted underneath Herman and Peterson's reply to you? You've posted on the Medialens message board in the past. Would you have objected to this kind of treatment if Medialens had dished it out to you? With great bravado you claimed to be "confronting" "genocide deniers". Why not confront your employer's actions - assuming you disapprove of course? I'll assume your silence signals approval of their policy.
Joe Emersberger


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The reason it took 5 weeks for a very terse rebuttal to Monbiot's article to appear in the Guardian is that previous responses were rejected by the Guardian editor Joseph Harker The following replies - archived on Znet - are the rejected responses.

1. Edward S. Herman: http://www.zcommunications.org/reply-to-george-monbiot-on-genocide-belittling-by-edward-herman

2. David Peterson: http://www.zcommunications.org/george-monbiot-and-the-anti-genocide-deniers-brigade-by-david-peterson


The Guardian insisted that Herman and Peterson limit a joint reply to about 500 words. Monbiot's article was 1000 words along. Given the seriousness of the charge - "genocide denial" and the fact that two topics were dealt with - Rwanda and Srebrenica - the Guardian's restrictions are impossible to defend. Would a 1000 word rebuttal have crashed its website?
Check out Peterson's Znet blog for more details and updates on the Guardian's odd "right to suitable reply" policy. You will be able to read a very detailed response to specific "objections" Harker riased about Herman and Peterson's rejected replies.
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Then David Peterson's:
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Friends: On or about June 17, both Edward S. Herman and I each separately began submitting responses to The Guardian, directed at countering false and misleading claims made by George Monbiot in his June 14 commentary.

Over the next several days, Herman and I tried different editors at The Guardian, including editors with responsibility for The Guardian's print edition as well as its online Comment Is Free edition. I also submitted my response to the editor of the Response column, as did Edward Herman.

From roughly June 21 through July 5, both of our draft-responses were under review by The Guardian's staff.

Then on July 5, the Response column editor Joseph Harker informed both Edward Herman and I that in their current draft forms, The Guardian couldn't use them. But, Harker added, if we'd revise and resubmit them jointly as one response, at a length below a maximum of 550 words, he would consider the revised draft.

This we managed to do, at the 550-word limit exactly -- and after some additional cuts by The Guardian, our single joint response was posted and published by The Guardian (July 19-20) -- though the title was chosen by the editor, note well.

However, on July 19, after The Guardian finally did post our response to its website, Edward Herman and I also posted copies of our original responses to each of our own webpages at ZNet in the States.

So as not to lose this work, I'm posting hyperlinks to each below:

Edward S. Herman: http://www.zcommunications.org/reply-to-george-monbiot-on-genocide-belittling-by-edward-herman

David Peterson: http://www.zcommunications.org/george-monbiot-and-the-anti-genocide-deniers-brigade-by-david-peterson

David Peterson
Chicago, USA
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Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:35 am
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joe emersberger



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Joseph Harker REPLIES:
In a message dated 21/07/2011 5:42:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, joseph.harker@guardian.co.uk writes:
Dear Mr Emersberger,
Thanks for your email.
I'll forward your query to our moderators
yours
joseph

MY RESPONSE
Mr. Harker
Thanks for replying but what do you think of what your moderators have done?
Surely you have an opinion and as an editor within the "free" press within a "free" country, you should be able to offer your opinion freely.
Here is another simple question I would much appreciate a straightforward answer to:

What dire consequences would have resulted if Herman and Peterson had been allowed a 750 or 1000 word reply on your website?

Joe Emersberger
Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:59 pm
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